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In this episode, we’re joined by Jason Erlich, an employment lawyer out in California, and we talk about a book we both read called “Influence is Your Superpower: The Science of Winning Hearts, Sparking Change, and Making Good Things Happen.” The author, Zoe Chance, put a lot of her research into this book about influence and the psychology of influence. As trial lawyers, this is a useful and thoughtful book on motivation and persuasion. Many of the concepts transition easily into courtroom and the running of a law practice.

Most people feel very uncomfortable trying to influence others. Zoe Chance provides examples and research that influence comes down to brain science and how we are wired as humans. Her book gives us an understanding of how our brains work and how we can apply some of her ideas, as trial lawyers, in talking to jurors, opposing counsel, mediators, or whoever else. It’s also interesting how this could be applied in your personal life.

It’s always coming from a frame of good influence. She talks a lot about her class and what she has her class do, including a couple of experiments that they do. So it’s a very fun, light read where you will also find some interesting and applicable concepts.

In this episode, you will hear:

  • The gator brain vs the judge brain
  • How to deal with a juror who disagrees with you
  • How to deal with a juror who is bad for you
  • The importance of focus groups in detecting a liar
  • How to deal with disagreement in focus groups
  • How we say things and ask people

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Purchase the book Influence is Your SuperPower: The Science of Winning Hearts, Sparking Change, and Making Good Things Happen

Big Thanks to Guest Jason Erlich!

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If you have questions or a particularly challenging client preparation, email Elizabeth directly for assistance: [email protected].

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